"5000 jobs for 1000 acres - Infosys scam!!"

"5000 jobs for 1000 acres - Infosys scam!!"

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"5000 jobs for 1000 acres - Infosys scam!!" Posted by Rajsekhar on Oct-20-05 at 06:29 AM (EST)
Narayan murthy says in press that Infosys has employed 10,000 kannadigas in 40,000+ staff!!. It is untrue because, to Infy all recruited in Bangalore are Kannadigas ( people come from all states to Bangalore for IT jobs and adding up all the recruitment done at bangalore to account of kannadigas is incorrect. The real number of kannadigas may be 5000 or so only.) The same Narayana Murthy goes to state government saying Infosys is kannadiga company and must be given hundreds of acres of land at gratis. ( why Infy cant pay, when just any other IT company run by kannadigas is forced to pay market price??) With 1000 acres of land he wants in all, he gives jobs to some 5000 kannadigas. Even his driver, chef or security is from other states. Long live kannadigas, with such a scam of Infosys. I fully support Devegowda ( I dont agree on his political actions) that a enquiry in to this undue favour shown by state governments to Infosys in particular must be exposed. This Narayan Murthy aimed to become President of India - inplace of Dr.Kalam.!!! bye Raj

Table of Contents

Land allotment, Rachana, Oct-21-05, (1)

How much did devegowda pay you ?, RaviKumar, Oct-27-05, (2)

U are cheap and demeaning Ravi, Rajsekhar, Oct-30-05, (3)

Infosys, Veekay, Nov-05-05, (4)

What insult are you talking about ?, RaviKumar, Nov-09-05, (5)

plz read outlook and Infosys is in ..., Rachana, Nov-09-05, (6)

., RaviKumar, Nov-22-05, (7)

Simple....., SD, Nov-23-05, (8)

Infosys - Tamils, Mallus and Telgus..., NK Mathre, Nov-25-05, (9)

Mathre , ravikumar, Dec-01-05, (10)

Shut up Ravi, NK Mhatre, Dec-03-05, (11)

NKM, ravikumar, Dec-05-05, (12)

Good you Want me to Split it wide o..., NKM, Dec-14-05, (15)

Cool Off Ravi and NKM, Satish Kumar belgaonkar, Dec-07-05, (13)

My reply Satish, NK Mhatre, Dec-14-05, (14)

NKM I think you need to read the wh..., Ravikumar, Dec-16-05, (16)

Messages in this discussion

1 . "Land allotment"
Posted by Rachana on Oct-21-05 at 07:35 AM (EST)

Whenever government takes over land, it pays low to the farmers as compensation. They lose land and also none of the industries, Infosys or others honour thier commitment to provide atleast one job to the family that gave up its land.
Poor farmers lose thier land and livelihood. No money can compensate that.
A public enquiry into land alloted by the government from day of independence will reveal how much our representatives have really cared for our future.
bye

2 . "How much did devegowda pay you ?"
Posted by RaviKumar on Oct-27-05 at 06:38 AM (EST)

Boss!
Can you tell me what did devegowda do when he was chief minister and also PM.
I dont think so he even developed his own constituency. As a elected member he primary aim is to develop the area he represents. Let him talk about it first and then think of Blore or Karnataka. He is a b******d.
About infosys, first tell me how many employees are kannadiga in Wipro, TCS etc. Remember though Mr Murthi started infy in pune, he later came to blore and made it as its head quaters. During those days Blore was not a big city. Pune was more better in terms of proximity to Mumbai (Economic capital of india).
No other state other than karnataka has more than one campus. Those who work in Infosys or have left it are always proud of infy and Mr Murthi. Infy runs with mind and ethics not with emotions. Infy always welcomes kannadigas who are fit to join it.
Dont make a fool of yourself and kannadigas.

3 . "U are cheap and demeaning Ravi"
Posted by Rajsekhar on Oct-30-05 at 02:51 AM (EST)

Ravi Kumar,
To accuse some one - as taking bribe and writing for some one else, on a public forum like this, only shows how cheap and demeaning you are.
If you have an opinon about Devegowda that is your own and you have no business to link that with my post and question my integrity.
It is absurdity that Mr.Narayan Murthy left pune and came to bangalore, while he could have gone to Mumbai. He and his partners then could only pool Rs.10,000 and with that kind of money, no body would be stupid to say that they will start a company in Mumbai. Moreover, it was the salary of Mrs.Murthy who was working in college in bangalore, that was important for them till Infosys could earn something for Murthy.
Your statement that Infosys will take only deserving kannadigas is a insult to any self respecting person.

thanks
Raj

4 . "Infosys"
Posted by Veekay on Nov-05-05 at 11:53 AM (EST)

Hi Guys
I am an Engineer currently working abroad as Technical Director of a software company. When I finished my BE I applied for infosys and got turned down. But I did find out that many other classmates of mine ( from other states ) got in infosys despite failing but with some influence. I got a job with another company and am now doing well abroad. If infosys had hired me I would still be in India and contributing towards India. I know for that fact that Infosys does not favour Kannada workers. Infosys has not done anything for Bangalore. It has tried to take everything from Blore. Its executives have connections with politicians and all they are interested in is to increase their profits and their share price. The executives pretend to help charities etc but are only lining thier pockets. The govt should not help Infosys with any land or tax sops. Its nothing but a cheating corporate. I hope many of you remember the controversy many years back when Infosys dodged income tax due on its share options. If big corporates like Infosys does not want to contribute to income tax how will the govt function ? Shame on infy.

5 . "What insult are you talking about ?"
Posted by RaviKumar on Nov-09-05 at 04:27 AM (EST)

Infosys does not run on favouring people with their lingual back grounds. Wht is wrong when i say only people who pass the written test go into infosys. Is it an insult to you if you dont not get selected in infosys.
I dont know why are ppl behind infosys. people always utter bitterness for any good thing.

One more thing, 10000 may not be big money in Mumbai even at those times but not in pune. Mrs murthi was not in Banglore at those times. She came to bangalore only after Murthi came and started infy in blore.

6 . "plz read outlook and Infosys is in true colours there."
Posted by Rachana on Nov-09-05 at 07:52 AM (EST)

Infosys has cheated the government and the people of karnataka - to get land at throwaway prices. Else they dont need to buy land from KIADB, which is primarly meant for industries and then tell that they are building staff quarters and facilities on it. Does not Narayan Murthy know that he is breaking the law of the land by doing it?
Infosys is filled with people from other states in HR and while kannada students are filtered out mercilessly, junk from other states are favoured openly during selection. So much so for its claim of being a great quality company.
Mr.Ravi Kumar, you may have your opinion in favour of Infosys but you have no business to deride everybody who opposes it.
Read Outlook magazine and you may know the real Infosys.
thanks

7 . "."
Posted by RaviKumar on Nov-22-05 at 09:48 PM (EST)

Ok if at one point of time we agree to it. Then why onl infosys is being targeted. I think there are other companies too who have "Cheated".

>Infosys has cheated the government and the
>people of karnataka - to get
>land at throwaway prices. Else they
>dont need to buy land from
>KIADB, which is primarly meant for
>industries and then tell that they
>are building staff quarters and facilities
>on it. Does not Narayan Murthy
>know that he is breaking the
>law of the land by doing
>it?
>Infosys is filled with people from other
>states in HR and while kannada
>students are filtered out mercilessly, junk
>from other states are favoured openly
>during selection. So much so for
>its claim of being a great
>quality company.
>Mr.Ravi Kumar, you may have your opinion
>in favour of Infosys but you
>have no business to deride everybody
>who opposes it.
>Read Outlook magazine and you may know
>the real Infosys.
>thanks

8 . "Simple....."
Posted by SD on Nov-23-05 at 00:13 AM (EST)

>Ok if at one point of time
>we agree to it. Then why
>onl infosys is being targeted. I
>think there are other companies too
>who have "Cheated".
>
But Infosys is all set to construct its own township, which will affect the Builders of b'lore and the "Mannina Maga" would not get his regular hafta, if they are affected. So Target Infy, Praise other cos.

9 . "Infosys - Tamils, Mallus and Telgus = acceptable"
Posted by NK Mathre on Nov-25-05 at 04:41 AM (EST)

Ravi
You work for Infosys alright. How did you get a job there. Some Tamil, Mallu or Telugu arse hole who has made it into Infosys got you in.
you continue doing that and your very dislike for kannada and karnataka people so evident in your posts , will make you reject local candidate and take scrap from other states.
If Infosys-Tamils, Mallus and Telugs did grab land and cheated the government, I would find it acceptable.
You have my job, you have my hospitality
Now you have my answer. Take it and ##### OFF from here.
NKM
>Ok if at one point of time
>we agree to it. Then why
>onl infosys is being targeted. I
>think there are other companies too
>who have "Cheated".
>
>>Infosys has cheated the government and the
>>people of karnataka - to get
>>land at throwaway prices. Else they
>>dont need to buy land from
>>KIADB, which is primarly meant for
>>industries and then tell that they
>>are building staff quarters and facilities
>>on it. Does not Narayan Murthy
>>know that he is breaking the
>>law of the land by doing
>>it?
>>Infosys is filled with people from other
>>states in HR and while kannada
>>students are filtered out mercilessly, junk
>>from other states are favoured openly
>>during selection. So much so for
>>its claim of being a great
>>quality company.
>>Mr.Ravi Kumar, you may have your opinion
>>in favour of Infosys but you
>>have no business to deride everybody
>>who opposes it.
>>Read Outlook magazine and you may know
>>the real Infosys.
>>thanks
>

10 . "Mathre "
Posted by ravikumar on Dec-01-05 at 02:25 AM (EST)

F**ker Mathre,
If you are agreeing to others then its non kanada people like you who come in bangalore and are snatching our jobs.
If one is capable for that job he will surely get it. Employment should not be influenced by one's religion nor one's region nor one's language.

11 . "Shut up Ravi"
Posted by NK Mhatre on Dec-03-05 at 01:53 AM (EST)

You who deride kannada and karnataka so happily in this forum, has the gal to write that jobs must not be influenced by language, region, etc;.
I dont work for Infosys. If the tall claim of Infosys of being transparent and merit based is true, it must weed out black sheep like you, who let personal vendetta and prejudice against language, region and community, influence recruitment. Till then Infosys will get the cane.
bye
NKM

12 . "NKM"
Posted by ravikumar on Dec-05-05 at 03:08 AM (EST)

You are a PAIN IN A**.

15 . "Good you Want me to Split it wide open"
Posted by NKM on Dec-14-05 at 02:07 AM (EST)

Ravi
Good you Want me to Split it wide open. Your generations will remember it.
Dont muck with me Ravi, this forum is no place for that.
thanks
NKM

13 . "Cool Off Ravi and NKM"
Posted by Satish Kumar belgaonkar on Dec-07-05 at 05:23 AM (EST)

HI Frineds , cool off buddies

first request to both of you , avoid using faul langauge , secondly , NKM I have read your earlier mesgs in this forum , U mentioned u r from Belguam , whatever it is two things one langauage or Religion doesnt yeild any job , its basically qualification and quality.
Infosys got in tiff with DeveGowad for some other reasons , just read it down
Infosys Chairman was Board member of BATF Mr Devegowad had his name in land scam of Devan halli and Airforce land near Yalhanka, as a CM and as a PM he could take his family to Argentina on ur and mine expense slept in Public meetings for your and my progress, blamed Murthy when BIAL and BATF higlighted his misdoings, while this is the part of the full story as there are lot of missing links in it.

Comming back to Mr Murthy , am not a big admirer of him nor do critisize him, but as of my knowledge ther are lot of friends from GIT and KLE are in Infosys at the day end its an Indian earning , be a Mallu , a Tamil guy or even a Telgu , I have been living abroad since last 5 years I have seen sufferings of people be them any labgauge in the same forum I was called Marthi Facist by one of the fellow forum member, no regretts , I am a kannadiga and speak write Marathi and Punjabi as well ,just becuse I was brought up in Defense culture.I made my move to wards Pune for my IT carrier but never felt discriminated and the I started with the Dealer of a branded IT company and now working for same branded IT company's international branch. and now with the ISP of the country. I wasnt asked my language or my orgin , and to be very frank , The GM of both companies I worked in Pune and Mumabi were from GIT and KLE and offcourse from Belgaum.
Its true that Mr Murthy should give some preference but on the following grounds
We in Karnataka have over 110 engineering collages , the campus interviews should be in All these collage ,
The employee referal program ,our fellow brotherns should take a step forward to help people of state .
But its hunderd times better to work in Infosys then a govt office headed by people like Devegowda.
I want to clear one more thing to Rachnas note , that Mr Murthy took law in his hands by asking for KIADB land for employee accommodation , according to KIADB there is a provision for resdiential buildings in adjourning areas of Industrial Park .
Mr Murthy have a vision and so his wife Mrs Sudha who is from Athani is running Narayan Murthy foundation , they have taken up one village each year to supply with drinking water and sanitation and a proper primary education with implimentation of Sankhya Vahini ( all IT companies in bangalore donte the old used computers to Govt for this project including Infosys)
Mrs Sudha had also pledged her support for IT education progress in BVB collage Hubli.

Today corporate India has driven ahead despite of problematic politicains and brought a lot of investment and jobs to we Indians.
hope my answer is satisfactory ,
fine guys compro and be good on the forum
Regards
Satish

14 . "My reply Satish"
Posted by NK Mhatre on Dec-14-05 at 02:05 AM (EST)

Satish
Read my first posts, I counselled patience and a healthy debate. When some guys here low to throw muck on me, they get it in return - with compliments. That is the only language they understand anyway.
Coming to your post now, I agree merit is the sole criterion for getting a job. Are all jobs are solely selected on merit at Infosys?
A big NO is the answer unfortunately. This is the fate at one company, which is pride of Karnataka and supported to the hilt by the successive governments in the state. The truth again, No IT company got the support like Infosys did from the karnataka government. Why were other IT companies not offered the same support?
When a system can be manipulated by some in HR of Infosys to select people from particular states or language, ignoring merit candidates from Karnataka - becoz they are from karnataka and are kannada speaking, then Infosys must correct it - instead of blaming a Devegowda or anybody for all this.
The questions raised, just becoz it is Devegowda who did it, cant be ignored or glossed over.
Infosys speaks of transparency and global norms, I would be very happy if they walk the talk on these issues as well.
I agree with you, with 100 plus colleges in Karnataka, campus recruitments must be in all colleges, so the best in each college get a fair chance of employment with IT industry. But for this to happen, the training and placement officers - a faculty from each college carries this designation and with a role to co-ordinate with industry and the college, must be a competent person. If it is a wrong person at the job, the college students are the losers.
Eg; at PDA college in Gulburga, there is a chap from Automobile department who visits bangalore often, asking IT companies to come do campus interviews in his college. His approach is very crude and no IT company wants to oblige him any way. The students are the losers here becoz it is the wrong guy at work.
Counselling students on new technologies, tech skills required in the industry is important. Again how many colleges do this - beyond a few GD and PDP at fag end of the semester?
When faculty at most of the colleges are freshers graduates who work as faculty, till they get a job in industry, it is students who suffer the most. There must be a qualifying exam to recruit faculty as well. It will eliminate those who get jobs becoz of management or political influence and contribute nothing for the academics in the college.
The VTU direction that all academic projects must be done in the college itself is self defeating, esp. for the students in colleges in cities apart from Bangalore, Mysore, Mangalore or Hubli, Belgaum, aspiring for jobs in IT. When quality facilities or faculty with industry experience are not available, what project can the student be able to do? How does the student compete with students from other cities and states, to get the job in IT?
VTU, IT industry and colleges must come with a program which is effective and can be replicated in all states of the country, so that every state gets a chance to build competencies and skills in IT in India and abroad.
Referal programs, I saw a couple of posts of this forum on this and if all use these programs effectively, it would certainly help the students too.
I disagree with you on the KIADB land issue. KIADB acquires lands at below market price and it is public money ( our money) that it spends on developing infrastructure for this land and in making it a industrial purpose land. When a company takes this land then it is primarily for industrial purpose only.
Again the allotee gets this industrial land at below market price - the government bearing a good cost on its own. Add tax holidays, subsidies, registration discounts, etc; then the benefits are sizeable.
If Infosys takes land for building residences and club facilities, it can do it buying land from open market or through developers. It does not have to go to KIADB get hundreds of acres allocated and then use a part of it for residences or non-industry purpose and get into unnecessary controversies.
I very much respect Mr.Narayan Murthy for his contribution to IT. If left alone, with his vision and zeal, he would have done a lot more for Indian IT. Did we leave him to do it or does he have the time/interest in doing it now? We made him a MP, took him to IIM, made him a media darling - both for bricks and boquets, chairman of BATF, task force, etc; and in all this, Mr.Narayan murthy is lost. A loss for Indian IT as a whole.
Infosys foundation has Mrs.Murthy but others like Mrs.Gopalakrishnan are doing commendable job as well. They are media shy and focussed on thier work. Mrs.Nilekeni is doing good work with thier foundation as well.
India is in a do or die stage today. WTO, GATT, all will make world a more competitive place. If we dont accelerate and stand united, we will be the losers - a curse for all our future generations. That is my concern.
Thanks
NKM
>HI Frineds , cool off buddies
>
>first request to both of you
>, avoid using faul langauge ,
>secondly , NKM I have read
>your earlier mesgs in this forum
>, U mentioned u r from
>Belguam , whatever it is two
>things one langauage or Religion doesnt
>yeild any job , its basically
>qualification and quality.
>Infosys got in tiff with DeveGowad
>for some other reasons , just
>read it down
>Infosys Chairman was Board member of BATF
>Mr Devegowad had his name in
>land scam of Devan halli and
>Airforce land near Yalhanka, as
>a CM and as a PM
>he could take his family to
>Argentina on ur and mine expense
>slept in Public meetings for your
>and my progress, blamed Murthy when
>BIAL and BATF higlighted his misdoings,
>while this is the part of
>the full story as there are
>lot of missing links in it.
>
> Comming back to Mr Murthy
>, am not a big admirer
>of him nor do critisize him,
>but as of my knowledge ther
>are lot of friends from GIT
>and KLE are in Infosys at
>the day end its an Indian
>earning , be a Mallu ,
>a Tamil guy or even a
>Telgu , I have been living
>abroad since last 5 years
>I have seen sufferings of people
>be them any labgauge in the
>same forum I was called Marthi
>Facist by one of the fellow
>forum member, no regretts , I
>am a kannadiga and speak write
>Marathi and Punjabi as well ,just
>becuse I was brought up in
>Defense culture.I made my move to
>wards Pune for my IT carrier
>but never felt discriminated and the
>I started with the Dealer of
>a branded IT company and now
>working for same branded IT company's
>international branch. and now with the
>ISP of the country. I wasnt
>asked my language or my orgin
>, and to be very frank
>, The GM of both companies
>I worked in Pune and Mumabi
>were from GIT and KLE and
>offcourse from Belgaum.
> Its
>true that Mr Murthy should give
>some preference but on the following
>grounds
>We in Karnataka have over 110 engineering
>collages , the campus interviews should
>be in All these collage ,
> The employee referal
>program ,our fellow brotherns should take
>a step forward to help people
>of state .
> But its hunderd times better
>to work in Infosys then a
>govt office headed by people like
>Devegowda.
>I want to clear one more thing
>to Rachnas note , that Mr
>Murthy took law in his hands
>by asking for KIADB land for
>employee accommodation , according to KIADB
>there is a provision for resdiential
>buildings in adjourning areas of Industrial
>Park .
> Mr Murthy have a vision
>and so his wife Mrs Sudha
>who is from Athani is running
>Narayan Murthy foundation , they have
>taken up one village each year
>to supply with drinking water and
>sanitation and a proper primary education
>with implimentation of Sankhya Vahini (
>all IT companies in bangalore donte
>the old used computers to Govt
>for this project including Infosys)
> Mrs Sudha had also
>pledged her support for IT education
>progress in BVB collage Hubli.
> Today corporate India has
>driven ahead despite of problematic politicains
>and brought a lot of investment
>and jobs to we Indians.
>hope my answer is satisfactory ,
>fine guys compro and be good on
>the forum
>Regards
>Satish

16 . "NKM I think you need to read the whole post."
Posted by Ravikumar on Dec-16-05 at 02:34 AM (EST)

NKM,
Read the whole post.
Read my every word. I have only one opposition and that is employment should not be based on any "RESERVATIONS".
And some cases it might be true in Infosys also. But why are you all targeting infosys. I think you will find such things in every company and I oppose it in general. Dont relate this issue to Infosys alone.
Also it was you who first used foul language against me. Read ur message 9 in this post.
>You have my job, you have my hospitality
>Now you have my answer. Take it and ##### OFF >from here
Every one are good enough here to understand #####. Dont be a Sadhu.

>Infosys foundation has Mrs.Murthy but others like Mrs.Gopalakrishnan are doing commendable job as well. They are media shy and >focussed on thier work. Mrs.Nilekeni is doing good work with thier foundation as well.
I dont understand what you want to say. In infosys everyone is respected and admired.
Murthy is most respected bcoz he was the one who glued all the founders even at a time when they wanted to sell Infosys. but it doesn't mean that others are not cared.
REMEMBER: DONT USE FOUL WORDS AGAINST ME IF YOU DONT LIKE TO HEAR FROM ME.

1 . "Land allotment" Posted by Rachana on Oct-21-05 at 07:35 AM (EST)
Whenever government takes over land, it pays low to the farmers as compensation. They lose land and also none of the industries, Infosys or others honour thier commitment to provide atleast one job to the family that gave up its land. Poor farmers lose thier land and livelihood. No money can compensate that. A public enquiry into land alloted by the government from day of independence will reveal how much our representatives have really cared for our future. bye

2 . "How much did devegowda pay you ?" Posted by RaviKumar on Oct-27-05 at 06:38 AM (EST)
Boss! Can you tell me what did devegowda do when he was chief minister and also PM. I dont think so he even developed his own constituency. As a elected member he primary aim is to develop the area he represents. Let him talk about it first and then think of Blore or Karnataka. He is a b******d. About infosys, first tell me how many employees are kannadiga in Wipro, TCS etc. Remember though Mr Murthi started infy in pune, he later came to blore and made it as its head quaters. During those days Blore was not a big city. Pune was more better in terms of proximity to Mumbai (Economic capital of india). No other state other than karnataka has more than one campus. Those who work in Infosys or have left it are always proud of infy and Mr Murthi. Infy runs with mind and ethics not with emotions. Infy always welcomes kannadigas who are fit to join it. Dont make a fool of yourself and kannadigas.


	3 . "U are cheap and demeaning Ravi" Posted by Rajsekhar on Oct-30-05 at 02:51 AM (EST)
	Ravi Kumar, To accuse some one - as taking bribe and writing for some one else, on a public forum like this, only shows how cheap and demeaning you are. If you have an opinon about Devegowda that is your own and you have no business to link that with my post and question my integrity. It is absurdity that Mr.Narayan Murthy left pune and came to bangalore, while he could have gone to Mumbai. He and his partners then could only pool Rs.10,000 and with that kind of money, no body would be stupid to say that they will start a company in Mumbai. Moreover, it was the salary of Mrs.Murthy who was working in college in bangalore, that was important for them till Infosys could earn something for Murthy. Your statement that Infosys will take only deserving kannadigas is a insult to any self respecting person. thanks Raj


	4 . "Infosys" Posted by Veekay on Nov-05-05 at 11:53 AM (EST)
	Hi Guys I am an Engineer currently working abroad as Technical Director of a software company. When I finished my BE I applied for infosys and got turned down. But I did find out that many other classmates of mine ( from other states ) got in infosys despite failing but with some influence. I got a job with another company and am now doing well abroad. If infosys had hired me I would still be in India and contributing towards India. I know for that fact that Infosys does not favour Kannada workers. Infosys has not done anything for Bangalore. It has tried to take everything from Blore. Its executives have connections with politicians and all they are interested in is to increase their profits and their share price. The executives pretend to help charities etc but are only lining thier pockets. The govt should not help Infosys with any land or tax sops. Its nothing but a cheating corporate. I hope many of you remember the controversy many years back when Infosys dodged income tax due on its share options. If big corporates like Infosys does not want to contribute to income tax how will the govt function ? Shame on infy.


	5 . "What insult are you talking about ?" Posted by RaviKumar on Nov-09-05 at 04:27 AM (EST)
	Infosys does not run on favouring people with their lingual back grounds. Wht is wrong when i say only people who pass the written test go into infosys. Is it an insult to you if you dont not get selected in infosys. I dont know why are ppl behind infosys. people always utter bitterness for any good thing. One more thing, 10000 may not be big money in Mumbai even at those times but not in pune. Mrs murthi was not in Banglore at those times. She came to bangalore only after Murthi came and started infy in blore.


	6 . "plz read outlook and Infosys is in true colours there." Posted by Rachana on Nov-09-05 at 07:52 AM (EST)
	Infosys has cheated the government and the people of karnataka - to get land at throwaway prices. Else they dont need to buy land from KIADB, which is primarly meant for industries and then tell that they are building staff quarters and facilities on it. Does not Narayan Murthy know that he is breaking the law of the land by doing it? Infosys is filled with people from other states in HR and while kannada students are filtered out mercilessly, junk from other states are favoured openly during selection. So much so for its claim of being a great quality company. Mr.Ravi Kumar, you may have your opinion in favour of Infosys but you have no business to deride everybody who opposes it. Read Outlook magazine and you may know the real Infosys. thanks


	7 . "." Posted by RaviKumar on Nov-22-05 at 09:48 PM (EST)
	Ok if at one point of time we agree to it. Then why onl infosys is being targeted. I think there are other companies too who have "Cheated". >Infosys has cheated the government and the >people of karnataka - to get >land at throwaway prices. Else they >dont need to buy land from >KIADB, which is primarly meant for >industries and then tell that they >are building staff quarters and facilities >on it. Does not Narayan Murthy >know that he is breaking the >law of the land by doing >it? >Infosys is filled with people from other >states in HR and while kannada >students are filtered out mercilessly, junk >from other states are favoured openly >during selection. So much so for >its claim of being a great >quality company. >Mr.Ravi Kumar, you may have your opinion >in favour of Infosys but you >have no business to deride everybody >who opposes it. >Read Outlook magazine and you may know >the real Infosys. >thanks


	8 . "Simple....." Posted by SD on Nov-23-05 at 00:13 AM (EST)
	>Ok if at one point of time >we agree to it. Then why >onl infosys is being targeted. I >think there are other companies too >who have "Cheated". > But Infosys is all set to construct its own township, which will affect the Builders of b'lore and the "Mannina Maga" would not get his regular hafta, if they are affected. So Target Infy, Praise other cos.


	9 . "Infosys - Tamils, Mallus and Telgus = acceptable" Posted by NK Mathre on Nov-25-05 at 04:41 AM (EST)
	Ravi You work for Infosys alright. How did you get a job there. Some Tamil, Mallu or Telugu arse hole who has made it into Infosys got you in. you continue doing that and your very dislike for kannada and karnataka people so evident in your posts , will make you reject local candidate and take scrap from other states. If Infosys-Tamils, Mallus and Telugs did grab land and cheated the government, I would find it acceptable. You have my job, you have my hospitality Now you have my answer. Take it and ##### OFF from here. NKM >Ok if at one point of time >we agree to it. Then why >onl infosys is being targeted. I >think there are other companies too >who have "Cheated". > >>Infosys has cheated the government and the >>people of karnataka - to get >>land at throwaway prices. Else they >>dont need to buy land from >>KIADB, which is primarly meant for >>industries and then tell that they >>are building staff quarters and facilities >>on it. Does not Narayan Murthy >>know that he is breaking the >>law of the land by doing >>it? >>Infosys is filled with people from other >>states in HR and while kannada >>students are filtered out mercilessly, junk >>from other states are favoured openly >>during selection. So much so for >>its claim of being a great >>quality company. >>Mr.Ravi Kumar, you may have your opinion >>in favour of Infosys but you >>have no business to deride everybody >>who opposes it. >>Read Outlook magazine and you may know >>the real Infosys. >>thanks >


	10 . "Mathre " Posted by ravikumar on Dec-01-05 at 02:25 AM (EST)
	F**ker Mathre, If you are agreeing to others then its non kanada people like you who come in bangalore and are snatching our jobs. If one is capable for that job he will surely get it. Employment should not be influenced by one's religion nor one's region nor one's language.


	11 . "Shut up Ravi" Posted by NK Mhatre on Dec-03-05 at 01:53 AM (EST)
	You who deride kannada and karnataka so happily in this forum, has the gal to write that jobs must not be influenced by language, region, etc;. I dont work for Infosys. If the tall claim of Infosys of being transparent and merit based is true, it must weed out black sheep like you, who let personal vendetta and prejudice against language, region and community, influence recruitment. Till then Infosys will get the cane. bye NKM


	12 . "NKM" Posted by ravikumar on Dec-05-05 at 03:08 AM (EST)
	You are a PAIN IN A**.


	15 . "Good you Want me to Split it wide open" Posted by NKM on Dec-14-05 at 02:07 AM (EST)
	Ravi Good you Want me to Split it wide open. Your generations will remember it. Dont muck with me Ravi, this forum is no place for that. thanks NKM


	13 . "Cool Off Ravi and NKM" Posted by Satish Kumar belgaonkar on Dec-07-05 at 05:23 AM (EST)
	HI Frineds , cool off buddies first request to both of you , avoid using faul langauge , secondly , NKM I have read your earlier mesgs in this forum , U mentioned u r from Belguam , whatever it is two things one langauage or Religion doesnt yeild any job , its basically qualification and quality. Infosys got in tiff with DeveGowad for some other reasons , just read it down Infosys Chairman was Board member of BATF Mr Devegowad had his name in land scam of Devan halli and Airforce land near Yalhanka, as a CM and as a PM he could take his family to Argentina on ur and mine expense slept in Public meetings for your and my progress, blamed Murthy when BIAL and BATF higlighted his misdoings, while this is the part of the full story as there are lot of missing links in it. Comming back to Mr Murthy , am not a big admirer of him nor do critisize him, but as of my knowledge ther are lot of friends from GIT and KLE are in Infosys at the day end its an Indian earning , be a Mallu , a Tamil guy or even a Telgu , I have been living abroad since last 5 years I have seen sufferings of people be them any labgauge in the same forum I was called Marthi Facist by one of the fellow forum member, no regretts , I am a kannadiga and speak write Marathi and Punjabi as well ,just becuse I was brought up in Defense culture.I made my move to wards Pune for my IT carrier but never felt discriminated and the I started with the Dealer of a branded IT company and now working for same branded IT company's international branch. and now with the ISP of the country. I wasnt asked my language or my orgin , and to be very frank , The GM of both companies I worked in Pune and Mumabi were from GIT and KLE and offcourse from Belgaum. Its true that Mr Murthy should give some preference but on the following grounds We in Karnataka have over 110 engineering collages , the campus interviews should be in All these collage , The employee referal program ,our fellow brotherns should take a step forward to help people of state . But its hunderd times better to work in Infosys then a govt office headed by people like Devegowda. I want to clear one more thing to Rachnas note , that Mr Murthy took law in his hands by asking for KIADB land for employee accommodation , according to KIADB there is a provision for resdiential buildings in adjourning areas of Industrial Park . Mr Murthy have a vision and so his wife Mrs Sudha who is from Athani is running Narayan Murthy foundation , they have taken up one village each year to supply with drinking water and sanitation and a proper primary education with implimentation of Sankhya Vahini ( all IT companies in bangalore donte the old used computers to Govt for this project including Infosys) Mrs Sudha had also pledged her support for IT education progress in BVB collage Hubli. Today corporate India has driven ahead despite of problematic politicains and brought a lot of investment and jobs to we Indians. hope my answer is satisfactory , fine guys compro and be good on the forum Regards Satish


	14 . "My reply Satish" Posted by NK Mhatre on Dec-14-05 at 02:05 AM (EST)
	Satish Read my first posts, I counselled patience and a healthy debate. When some guys here low to throw muck on me, they get it in return - with compliments. That is the only language they understand anyway. Coming to your post now, I agree merit is the sole criterion for getting a job. Are all jobs are solely selected on merit at Infosys? A big NO is the answer unfortunately. This is the fate at one company, which is pride of Karnataka and supported to the hilt by the successive governments in the state. The truth again, No IT company got the support like Infosys did from the karnataka government. Why were other IT companies not offered the same support? When a system can be manipulated by some in HR of Infosys to select people from particular states or language, ignoring merit candidates from Karnataka - becoz they are from karnataka and are kannada speaking, then Infosys must correct it - instead of blaming a Devegowda or anybody for all this. The questions raised, just becoz it is Devegowda who did it, cant be ignored or glossed over. Infosys speaks of transparency and global norms, I would be very happy if they walk the talk on these issues as well. I agree with you, with 100 plus colleges in Karnataka, campus recruitments must be in all colleges, so the best in each college get a fair chance of employment with IT industry. But for this to happen, the training and placement officers - a faculty from each college carries this designation and with a role to co-ordinate with industry and the college, must be a competent person. If it is a wrong person at the job, the college students are the losers. Eg; at PDA college in Gulburga, there is a chap from Automobile department who visits bangalore often, asking IT companies to come do campus interviews in his college. His approach is very crude and no IT company wants to oblige him any way. The students are the losers here becoz it is the wrong guy at work. Counselling students on new technologies, tech skills required in the industry is important. Again how many colleges do this - beyond a few GD and PDP at fag end of the semester? When faculty at most of the colleges are freshers graduates who work as faculty, till they get a job in industry, it is students who suffer the most. There must be a qualifying exam to recruit faculty as well. It will eliminate those who get jobs becoz of management or political influence and contribute nothing for the academics in the college. The VTU direction that all academic projects must be done in the college itself is self defeating, esp. for the students in colleges in cities apart from Bangalore, Mysore, Mangalore or Hubli, Belgaum, aspiring for jobs in IT. When quality facilities or faculty with industry experience are not available, what project can the student be able to do? How does the student compete with students from other cities and states, to get the job in IT? VTU, IT industry and colleges must come with a program which is effective and can be replicated in all states of the country, so that every state gets a chance to build competencies and skills in IT in India and abroad. Referal programs, I saw a couple of posts of this forum on this and if all use these programs effectively, it would certainly help the students too. I disagree with you on the KIADB land issue. KIADB acquires lands at below market price and it is public money ( our money) that it spends on developing infrastructure for this land and in making it a industrial purpose land. When a company takes this land then it is primarily for industrial purpose only. Again the allotee gets this industrial land at below market price - the government bearing a good cost on its own. Add tax holidays, subsidies, registration discounts, etc; then the benefits are sizeable. If Infosys takes land for building residences and club facilities, it can do it buying land from open market or through developers. It does not have to go to KIADB get hundreds of acres allocated and then use a part of it for residences or non-industry purpose and get into unnecessary controversies. I very much respect Mr.Narayan Murthy for his contribution to IT. If left alone, with his vision and zeal, he would have done a lot more for Indian IT. Did we leave him to do it or does he have the time/interest in doing it now? We made him a MP, took him to IIM, made him a media darling - both for bricks and boquets, chairman of BATF, task force, etc; and in all this, Mr.Narayan murthy is lost. A loss for Indian IT as a whole. Infosys foundation has Mrs.Murthy but others like Mrs.Gopalakrishnan are doing commendable job as well. They are media shy and focussed on thier work. Mrs.Nilekeni is doing good work with thier foundation as well. India is in a do or die stage today. WTO, GATT, all will make world a more competitive place. If we dont accelerate and stand united, we will be the losers - a curse for all our future generations. That is my concern. Thanks NKM >HI Frineds , cool off buddies > >first request to both of you >, avoid using faul langauge , >secondly , NKM I have read >your earlier mesgs in this forum >, U mentioned u r from >Belguam , whatever it is two >things one langauage or Religion doesnt >yeild any job , its basically >qualification and quality. >Infosys got in tiff with DeveGowad >for some other reasons , just >read it down >Infosys Chairman was Board member of BATF >Mr Devegowad had his name in >land scam of Devan halli and >Airforce land near Yalhanka, as >a CM and as a PM >he could take his family to >Argentina on ur and mine expense >slept in Public meetings for your >and my progress, blamed Murthy when >BIAL and BATF higlighted his misdoings, >while this is the part of >the full story as there are >lot of missing links in it. > > Comming back to Mr Murthy >, am not a big admirer >of him nor do critisize him, >but as of my knowledge ther >are lot of friends from GIT >and KLE are in Infosys at >the day end its an Indian >earning , be a Mallu , >a Tamil guy or even a >Telgu , I have been living >abroad since last 5 years >I have seen sufferings of people >be them any labgauge in the >same forum I was called Marthi >Facist by one of the fellow >forum member, no regretts , I >am a kannadiga and speak write >Marathi and Punjabi as well ,just >becuse I was brought up in >Defense culture.I made my move to >wards Pune for my IT carrier >but never felt discriminated and the >I started with the Dealer of >a branded IT company and now >working for same branded IT company's >international branch. and now with the >ISP of the country. I wasnt >asked my language or my orgin >, and to be very frank >, The GM of both companies >I worked in Pune and Mumabi >were from GIT and KLE and >offcourse from Belgaum. > Its >true that Mr Murthy should give >some preference but on the following >grounds >We in Karnataka have over 110 engineering >collages , the campus interviews should >be in All these collage , > The employee referal >program ,our fellow brotherns should take >a step forward to help people >of state . > But its hunderd times better >to work in Infosys then a >govt office headed by people like >Devegowda. >I want to clear one more thing >to Rachnas note , that Mr >Murthy took law in his hands >by asking for KIADB land for >employee accommodation , according to KIADB >there is a provision for resdiential >buildings in adjourning areas of Industrial >Park . > Mr Murthy have a vision >and so his wife Mrs Sudha >who is from Athani is running >Narayan Murthy foundation , they have >taken up one village each year >to supply with drinking water and >sanitation and a proper primary education >with implimentation of Sankhya Vahini ( >all IT companies in bangalore donte >the old used computers to Govt >for this project including Infosys) > Mrs Sudha had also >pledged her support for IT education >progress in BVB collage Hubli. > Today corporate India has >driven ahead despite of problematic politicains >and brought a lot of investment >and jobs to we Indians. >hope my answer is satisfactory , >fine guys compro and be good on >the forum >Regards >Satish


	16 . "NKM I think you need to read the whole post." Posted by Ravikumar on Dec-16-05 at 02:34 AM (EST)
	NKM, Read the whole post. Read my every word. I have only one opposition and that is employment should not be based on any "RESERVATIONS". And some cases it might be true in Infosys also. But why are you all targeting infosys. I think you will find such things in every company and I oppose it in general. Dont relate this issue to Infosys alone. Also it was you who first used foul language against me. Read ur message 9 in this post. >You have my job, you have my hospitality >Now you have my answer. Take it and ##### OFF >from here Every one are good enough here to understand #####. Dont be a Sadhu. >Infosys foundation has Mrs.Murthy but others like Mrs.Gopalakrishnan are doing commendable job as well. They are media shy and >focussed on thier work. Mrs.Nilekeni is doing good work with thier foundation as well. I dont understand what you want to say. In infosys everyone is respected and admired. Murthy is most respected bcoz he was the one who glued all the founders even at a time when they wanted to sell Infosys. but it doesn't mean that others are not cared. REMEMBER: DONT USE FOUL WORDS AGAINST ME IF YOU DONT LIKE TO HEAR FROM ME.